Welcome Dr. Gary Robert Buchanan

[grbuchanan]

Dear William,

Right on! I suspect you are absoutley correct in emphasizing the client's biofeedback and moment-to-moment monitoring of response/pressure/stress aspects --- "not being locked into these older and fixed frequencies or their multiples."

I might humbly suggest, music has been around for a long time --- and organic harmonies follow rules --- pretty much universally.

As I understand things, the "VAS is measuring a standing wave that forms in the radial artery, just proximal (i.e., towards the heart) of the client." Using the wrist...etc.

The "standing wave" is defined "as a result of a collision of pressure (sound) waves, etc." Does not physics teach us that it takes a collision of five pressure waves to create a true "standing wave?" I would ask, what are the five --- how are each of them measured? If it is a true 3-D standing wave, then we need to view and define things in terms of actual acoustics, no?

I would also suggest that such field pulsations, as "stress" responses, can be measured in many ways, no? For example, one might point to Irridology, Photo-Syntonics, and Bio-Optic Holography (just Google), where in a session one can actually montior responses, including VAS, as changes taking place in the iris, pupil, sclera, etc. Or, perhaps in the fields, or in the breath...

At any rate, I DO have some reservations about a couple other things I found in your links.

The Ondamed, which I imagine is highly effective, uses magnetic pulsations in applications. You know, our experience has been that many people, especially highly sensitive individuals, respond very badly to magnetic pulsation --- and avoid {set} EM fields rather religiously. Personally, I have a rather large bone-to-pick with manufacturers of Cymatic instrumentation who regularly put magnets in their applicator heads --- thinking they will somehow improve the healing action. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth! In the process of penetration and absorption of sound, the molecules give off biophotons, on their own, which then also create new and usually improved EM radiative fields. So, the added magnetic resonance from an applicator simply gets in the way and distorts what the body wants to create naturally.

Such is rarely taken into account, as well, by the advocates of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulative Resonance tools (TMSr)! Such coils and toys induce depression as often as they alleviate a headache, for example.

Then, there is the Qi-Gong machine, which also uses a {set} of predetermined frequencies (7-14 Hz), only randomly sounding, at three {set} speeds, within the infrasonic range --- now more and more recognized as an entirely new world of possible "pulse-tone" healing capabilities --- and as being used in clinics all over China these days --- a technology far more advanced than the standard boxes being sold over here. In other words, Nogier's {set} frequencies are, to my mind, still quite valid, as are those of Abrams, Olav Skille, the Turbosonic people, et al working in infrasonic medicine.

I would add that in attempting to design and develop new units and applicators we most assuredly ARE seeking to find ways that allow the individual to inter-relate with the sound, light, and color fields --- to some extent control and/or effect the overall pitch range, timbre, density, color depth, ad infinitum --- even going so far as to include stochastic sounds and programs that can be manipulated by one's own voice and/or breath (ala Don Estes). At the same time, we do not however throw away {set} bio-frequencies and proven discoveries going back some two centuries simply because they do not fit ideas currently being tested. For example, the commutations of Dr. Manners are just now being learned about and used in this country! They DO work. Else, why would anyone be using them in clinics here and around the globe right now?

I also note your mention of Laser light and specific nanometric ranges. Why are these not indicative of being "locked into older fixed frequencies and their multiples?' (Just pulling your leg.)

Kindest regards,

Gary

[wjcroft]

Hi Gary, I'm enjoying the lively exchange here...

Dear William,
At any rate, I DO have some reservations about a couple other things I found in your links.

The Ondamed, which I imagine is highly effective, uses magnetic pulsations in applications. You know, our experience has been that many people, especially highly sensitive individuals, respond very badly to magnetic pulsation --- and avoid {set} EM fields rather religiously. Personally, I have a rather large bone-to-pick with manufacturers of Cymatic instrumentation who regularly put magnets in their applicator heads ...

Such is rarely taken into account, as well, by the advocates of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulative Resonance tools (TMSr)! Such coils and toys induce depression as often as they alleviate a headache, for example.

You are right here, but actually all of the "sound applicators" that I am aware of and even use myself, also generate significant EMF fields. By my measurement with my TriField meter, well above 100 milligauss. So even if your Cymatic instrument did not have a permanent magnet inside, it would STILL generate a strong EMF field.

In my opinion, this is the tradeoff we have to make if we want to apply sound with an applicator directly to the body for it's frequency synergy effects. In my case these "balancings" are only a couple minutes at most (per frequency balanced). So the overall EMF exposure I would consider relatively low. And... If the client is indeed highly EMF sensitive, then the pulse guidance would not be asking for such applicators, but instead for other balancing devices.

Then, there is the Qi-Gong machine, which also uses a {set} of predetermined frequencies (7-14 Hz), only randomly sounding, at three {set} speeds, within the infrasonic range --- now more and more recognized as an entirely new world of possible "pulse-tone" healing capabilities ...

Yeah, as I mention on my site, I don't actually use the Qigong Machine anymore, but a software emulation of my own design, called hFM, the source code (signal diagram) is freely downloadable open source. Both generators however are not "predetermined" frequencies, but infinite gradations of randomly chosen frequencies in the selected range.

... being used in clinics all over China these days --- a technology far more advanced than the standard boxes being sold over here. In other words, Nogier's {set} frequencies are, to my mind, still quite valid, as are those of Abrams, Olav Skille, the Turbosonic people, et al working in infrasonic medicine.

Yes, Nogier's original frequencies are still in wide use, especially on pulsed laser devices. On the other hand Turbosonic arbitarily chose to limit their control knob to integer Hz settings for some obscure reason. If you are on the Turbosonic and ratchet up from one Hz to the next at low settings, you can feel how jarring this is, not to have finer gradations.

I would add that in attempting to design and develop new units and applicators we most assuredly ARE seeking to find ways that allow the individual to inter-relate with the sound, light, and color fields --- ... At the same time, we do not however throw away {set} bio-frequencies and proven discoveries going back some two centuries simply because they do not fit ideas currently being tested. For example, the commutations of Dr. Manners are just now being learned about and used in this country! They DO work. Else, why would anyone be using them in clinics here and around the globe right now?

I think each practitioner will choose the toolbox that best aligns with their intuition and experiences. I have no doubt that Cymatics works. I've never had one of the devices however, so have no direct experience. But if I were to use it, I would probably select my commutation via the VAS. Either from a table, or deriving each frequency in the commutation sequentially.

By the way, you can build your own Cymatics five or n frequency generator in 10 minutes using the Analog Box software synthesizer shown here: http://www.lightfield.com/hfm.htm . Andy Turner's Analog Box package is a masterpiece for audio tinkerers.

I also note your mention of Laser light and specific nanometric ranges. Why are these not indicative of being "locked into older fixed frequencies and their multiples?' (Just pulling your leg.)
Kindest regards,
Gary

Yes, lasers (unless tunable which is hugely expensive) are generally at fixed nanometers because of the resonant structures inherent in the semiconductors. However tunable wavelength devices using non-coherent light are equally effective, as Prof. Tiina Karu has shown. Her pdf on my links page studies cell cultures at very finely stepped nanometer intervals.

The question we must ask with these various tables handed down historically is, how were they derived? What magic numbers and mathematics or system was utilized to correspond this organ or that tissue or dysfunction condition, with this particular number? Is it better to "find out for ourselves", or to rely on previous formulas? When we want to find out the particular resonant frequency of a bell or bowl, do we try to calculate the result by careful dimensional measurements? Or do we simply strike the bell?

Best regards,

--William

[grbuchanan]

William,

I very much appreciate your comments along with your obvious knowledge and expertise in regard to light and sound therapeutics.

Yes, the EMF of a sound applicator, with the large coil, is a concern — as you and I have touched upon offline during the last couple of days. No doubt, this is why so many sound healers prefer natural instruments, e.g., tuning forks, singing bowls, harps, flutes, bells, chimes, et al — along with vocal techniques.

I am sure that in the future we will resolve this problem — as we find ways of applying sound away from the electro-magnetic coil. One way might be to use a specially designed tubing to carry the sound waves from the EM transducer or speaker. Steve Satra has used such tubing in some of his designs. Another way we have experimented with at the healing center is to place transducers on the outside of geothermal tubs. While this does not completely eliminate the EMFs, it does manage to cut down their intensity as the pulsations travel through the water. If we can somehow get a more focused sound wave front into the person, without the extra EMFs, then the cells will create their own natural biophotons, etc. and healing can better take place.

I am familiar with the Analog Box, have also corresponded with Andy Turner, and include his program on the “Data” disk sent out with the SONA book. Using ABox, Satra also built a program similar to yours that allows us to play the five or six tones, mix and pan them at infrasonic rates, a program (free download online) that allows us to generate much better sine wave commutations. Some of the best sound I have heard and felt, actually — much better than Cool Edit or Adobe Audition, for example.

To my mind, the reason Qi-Gong applications within the infrasonic range are so effective is precisely because of the stochastic sounding of the frequencies. The random patterns within the set range allow one to more comfortably react to the inductions, thus avoiding the 21-minute habituation response.

But, I believe you are correct in saying that we need to be able to create finer gradations between, for example, the whole number counts used by the Turbosonic people, and others. The commutations I present in SONA and in charts we send to therapists often go down to six and seven decimal places — even in the infrasonic range. The interplay of these finely determined ratios can make all the difference!

The reason I have personally stuck to the {set} frequencies of, say, Manners, Nogier, Abrams, Skille, and others of that ilk is that in most cases I know where they came from. For example, with Dr. Manners we may have a frequency for, say, the healthy liver of a sixteen year old. The measurements/standard resonances date back early into the last century, and many, many doctors and researchers have agreed, for example, those frequencies are “standard” for most people — certainly better than, say, the frequency of a toxic liver or one with cirrhosis. Almost all of Manners frequencies have also been tested as Cymatic formations on vibrating diaphragms, or in water, so we even know how they look (sacred geometry). Again, if the tissue formation of a muscle has a healthy striation pattern, and we can duplicate that pattern with sound waves, then it has been discovered that commutation strengthens muscle tissue. So, it’s not just a theory, and is based upon well over fifty years of case studies compiled by Dr, Manners and others at his Bretforton Hall Clinic.

Now, these tones are not “set in stone.” Dr. Manners even suggested that we can move the entire frequency array up or down in pitch — until the resonances feel correct with the client. However, these morphogenetic resonances are quite real, can be and have been measured my hundreds of researchers, and work very well in helping restore dysfunctional conditions to optimal functionality.

The Nogier rates also make great sense to me, and I see several confirmatory avenues, as well. For example, if the physiological functions, again, of most people, seem to respond best to that 9 Hz medium range, as well as to the sacral ganglia, as well as to the synesthetic perception of the orange color range which corresponds with that plexus, etc., then I believe that on many levels the set tones of Nogier are vitally important to overall health. The same may be said of the frequencies presented by Albert Abrams, all of which I have found clients favor. They are, according to many, most “comforting” and “loving.”

But, again, these tones are variable. For me, it is the overall shape and “ratios” that are retained, no matter the pitch area, per se.

Your “heart” centered approach is also clearly important, as is your emphasis upon each practitioner discovering his/her own "toolbox." I would also suggest that at least 50% of the healing accomplished relies upon the “intention” of all involved, and I see this consciousness as deriving from the heart center, or the center of “Being.”

I appreciate the reference to Russian professor Tina Karu and have looked into her papers. This is valuable information! Her work in photobiomodulation does appear to use varying and quite specific nanometer counts in therapies, non-coherence, wave lengths depending upon tissue interface and depth of penetration, whether to use lasers of LEDs, etc. Terrific discussions and case studies! I will be delving into these things a lot more, fer sur.

As a musician — I have never found a properly tuned singing bowl. Have you?

Bests,

Gary

[wjcroft]

Gary, hi again.

re: EMFs. There is also the appearance on the scene in the last number of years, many different PEMF (pulsed electromagnetic field) devices. Not just Ondamed, but probably more than a dozen different manufacturers. All of these using varying field strengths, some very weak but still bioactive. It's clear that they can have a strongly positive effect, if the right resonance is achieved. Many of these are being used by athletic teams. The explanation I like best is some kind of frequency scanning or sweep model. For example some units do this with a exponentially swept frequency. With more gain on the high frequency side. The claim is that this sweep will hit all the resonant vibrations of progressively smaller components of the cells and their organic molecules. Thus if there are "lock and key" relationships to be facilitated, this will tend to optimally shake things up enough to accelerate those reactions. Again, not something you want to bathe yourself in for long periods, but can catalyze healing responses on short exposure.

re: Analog Box, we obviously run in similar circles! I turned Steve Satra onto it last summer and in September he sent me a copy of his Cymatic circuit of your "Prana" commutation. So I didnt realize you were both collaborating on this. Anyway Andy Turner is a saint for releasing this package for free to the community. I asked him once if he ever considered porting it to Mac or Linux -- nope, it's all written in hardcore Intel 80386 assembly language. And Windows operating system graphics user interface calls. Totally amazing. That's like building a car from the ground up, every single nut and bolt hand tightened. Probably explains to some degree how it runs like lightning.

re: Prof. Tiina Karu. Yeah, what she is saying basically is that the wavelength is the key, not whether it is a coherent or incoherent light source. Since no coherence is maintained after laser light hits the skin. But try telling that to the makers of expensive "clinical" low level laser therapy units.

Cheers!

[grbuchanan]

Dear William,

Sorry to have been so long in getting back to you on the Forum.

Yes, there now a great many PEMF devices out there! The magnetic and electro-magnetic resonances are truly effective in most cases. As I said, there are a few folks now and then that do not respond well to direct delivery of EM, e.g., those who may have spent years/decades "building” there "fields," only to have them rearranged.

“Sweeping” is also applicable to sound therapies. Dr. Manners records commutations onto cassette tapes — then he can simply alter the overall frequency range by adjusting the (+ -) knob and find the exact pitch area that is most comfortable for the client. The overall ratios are maintained, but sweeping allows for adjustments.

Which brings us to the Andy Turner’s Analog Box, which also has a sweep control on the side that allows for moving the entire commutation up or down a couple of octaves. Very nice! However — and I just recently discussed this with Andy — when one types in the frequency settings, say, for a Cymatic commutation, there is only room for up to two decimal places!

This is problematical, as I have been advising folks to download the free program in order to build the Wave Front Bioresonance Codes listed in SONA. Those listings often go to seven, eight or more decimal places. So, those who are using the ABox to build the codes are only getting rough approximations. Oh well, back to Adobe Audition — until our working group has built a new unit with sine oscillators and program that can get down to those finer tunings.

What’s your take on exact wave lengths and decimal counts?

Gary

[wjcroft]

... However — and I just recently discussed this with Andy — when one types in the frequency settings, say, for a Cymatic commutation, there is only room for up to two decimal places! This is problematical, as I have been advising folks to download the free program in order to build the Wave Front Bioresonance Codes listed in SONA. Those listings often go to seven, eight or more decimal places. So, those who are using the ABox to build the codes are only getting rough approximations. ...

Gary, hi. Yeah, Andy uses an interesting internal number representation scheme that has this side effect. In other respects it actually speeds up the computations inside the program, so I can see why he did it.

This same idea comes up in the field of neurofeedback, where it is a topic of hot discussion, called "slow cortical potentials": brainwave frequencies below 1 Hz, .1 Hz or .01 Hz. As you know a frequency difference of only .01 Hz means a frequency component that is only changing one cycle in 100 seconds. .001 Hz only cycles in 1000 seconds.

Most sound balancings that I do for clients, only last a couple minutes at most. Then they are complete with that balance and ready for the next. (Which could be another frequency setup, or modality entirely.) So in that 120 second or so application, they received only one cycle of that .01 Hz component.

I have no personal experience with using more decimal places in my own work so you will have to take the following with a grain of salt. If you are indeed seeing noticable changes with audio frequencies using 7, 8 or more decimal places --then I believe such effects are likely happening via the mechanism of radionics or informational level transfer. Rather than actual physical energy transfer.

I totally believe in the information medicine approaches, I use a sacred geometry based radionics device called the Red Door in my own work. Created by Peruvian shamanic teacher Kay Cordell Whitaker. So I entirely agree that mathematically precise intentions as you are using have effect.

The question is, how are these precise numbers being transmitted and received by the client. In radionics this is done symbolically. Just the fact of recording the number sequences and listing them in some location that correlates with transmission to the client is enough. An actual physical level of transmission does not occur. But as we know informational level transfers occur with consciousness all the time, as in the field of parapsychology.

So my gut level instinct is saying, this is possible to do with Analog Box, but you would have to play some tricks. Or use an auxilary radionics transmission scheme.

There are a great number of ways to do radionics. But basically all the devices are symbolic. They provide a framework for associating a "witness" or representation of the client (or "target") with an intention. In your case of Adobe Audition, that is happening because the 7 decimal place frequencies are actually entering into floating point calculations that result in the "symbolic" + practical frequency being applied to the client.

To do this with Analog Box would be cumbersome, but perhaps possible: one approach would be to enter the high precision frequency in some form to Analog Box where all numbers are preserved. E.g. having separate entry boxes for the units and hundredths freq, as in 4321.12. Then another box for the remaining 6 decimal places, entered as 3456.78. Analog Box has a "computation" function box where values can be manipulated with your own formulas. The latter value would then be used as a "hash" to effect (in a miniscule way) that last 'bit' of the main frequency box. I know this sounds hokey, but it is a symbolic connection, and that is how radionics works. There might be other schemes as well.

OK, I've been running too long here, but I hope this does not tread too far into the Twilight Zone. Informational Medicine machines sometimes do. Here is another one to look at, the CoRe Inergetix. Kiran Schmidt the founder is very high integrity and truth revealing about how these devices work.

[wjcroft]

As a more specific example, say you transmitted a commutation that contained two frequencies, 10000.0 Hz and 10000.01 Hz. In a period of 100 seconds (my average time for a sound balance), there would only be one beat frequency cycle that occurs in the resultant additive waveform. (Last illustration on this page, as I'm sure everyone is familiar with.)

If the frequencies differed by .001 Hz, then only one beat in 1000 seconds.

Thus whatever commutation or combination or even single frequency that is used -- the actual difference in physical energy transfer between frequencies specified to two decimal places or to eight decimal places -- is minuscule as seen in a 2 channel joint time frequency analysis (JTFA), e.g. comparing "voiceprints". And occurs over such a long period of time (100's to 1000's of seconds), that it is hard to imagine that the energetic body could register or integrate such a difference over that period of time.

However on the symbolic and mathematical ratio levels, indeed there could be differences in the reception of a two decimal vs. eight decimal ratio / combination.

[grbuchanan]

Dear William,

I have been letting all your Information Factors sink in — waiting for a processional outcome in consciousness that might be stated in a meaningful pattern.

You have touched upon a clearly significant area, i.e., that of “radionics.” As you may know, healing commutations of five tones — required to form the “standing waves” — may be determined via radionic readings on one of the older five-dial machines — then converting those number-ratios to sound frequencies. Many of Manners’ commutations were determined that way.

However, simply because the cycling of decimal points may take some time, e.g., with one tone, this does not mean that its/their primary function or affect, especially when using five tones, is time-based.

Basically, a wave length is just that, i.e. a wave “length.” Five waves harmonically adjusted, say, to a common “fundamental” will “beat” and “pulse” and “synergetically intertwine” in all kinds of ways (especially with triangular waves) — and these subtleties can be heard and felt ---- and on as many levels, immediately...not over two or more minutes.

All energy, better “synergy”— as we are discussing vortexial forms in space and time that form geometric wave fronts — carries multi-dimensional Information Factors. Each precise length of the waves may thus be said to contain more or less IF.

Let’s take a simple example or two:

We have a commutation of 256, 288, 320, 384, and 432 Hertz. We decide we would like to harmonize all the tones with a pulsing fundamental, say, Abrams’ Universal Healing Rate of 1.5 Hz.

256 divided by that fundamental 1.5 = 170.666 Hz. Let’s round this off to 171 — a “whole number.” Then, 171 X 1.5 = 256.5 Hz. Acoustically, we have created a “perfect” wave form relationship. So, the 0.5 difference means a great deal. We can then perform the same procedure with each of the other tones and end up with a five-note commutation, pulsing at 1.5 Hz, which will be 256.5, 288, 319.5, 384, and 432 Hz. With this procedure we will have created a totally “harmonic chord” which is in absolute “resonance” with the Abrams’ fundamental.

Similarly, let’s use one of Paul Nogier’s frequencies, say, 1.140625 Hz (expressed on a good calculator as 1.14062499999 to infinity), which is a basic “primordial” cell resonance. That series would end up looking like this.

255.49999 to infinity; 287.437499999 to infinity; 320.51562499999 to infinity; 384.39062499999 to infinity; and, 432.29687499999 to infinity. All the tones are pulsing at the base rate of 1.140625 Hz, and ALL are awaiting “completion” from the other end of infinity, the macrocosmic/microcosmic balance of all wave front resonance in Universe, awating the missing potential of 0.0000 to infinity “1.” See?

Within this dance of vital life streams radionics may be involved --- or higher dimensional quantum potentials; but, on this plane we are simply coping with space, time, energy, matter, inertia, and gravity (primarily), seeking to overcome entropy, and make a musical “chord” that has specific wave lengths, follows acoustic laws, and is what it is.

I, too, have worked in the Andes and met some of the shamans. The preserved traditions of those mystics is more of a 4th dimensional resonance, rather than 5th, I would suggest. The true “Pochtecas” of the central cordillera had greater impact, for example, among the Chachapoyas of the north, as opposed to the Incas in the south. That has been our experience over the decades, e.g., on expeditions. Plus, we take a dim view of the ayahuasca and trance-like practices of the shamans there...not that I am suggesting any connection with all that on your behalf. Just expressing randomly here.

I will look into those other links you suggest.

Bests,

Gary